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	<title>Comments for JoelNothman.com</title>
	<link>http://www.joelnothman.com/blog</link>
	<description>Hobbily blogging</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Giving birth and being reborn by Ronni</title>
		<link>http://www.joelnothman.com/blog/2008/11/09/giving-birth-and-being-reborn/#comment-2492</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations, Joel.  Handing in your honours thesis is a wonderful feeling.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Giving birth and being reborn by Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.joelnothman.com/blog/2008/11/09/giving-birth-and-being-reborn/#comment-2488</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.joelnothman.com/blog/2008/11/09/giving-birth-and-being-reborn/#comment-2488</guid>
		<description>I would say it's because you knew what you'd be doing after honours, but that would be a lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say it&#8217;s because you knew what you&#8217;d be doing after honours, but that would be a lie.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Giving birth and being reborn by James</title>
		<link>http://www.joelnothman.com/blog/2008/11/09/giving-birth-and-being-reborn/#comment-2487</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.joelnothman.com/blog/2008/11/09/giving-birth-and-being-reborn/#comment-2487</guid>
		<description>Congratulations - reborn, hey? I never felt _that_ much release after honours...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations - reborn, hey? I never felt _that_ much release after honours&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hebrew-English online translation by learnfrenchwiththebible</title>
		<link>http://www.joelnothman.com/blog/2008/09/28/hebrew-english-online-translation/#comment-2486</link>
		<dc:creator>learnfrenchwiththebible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.joelnothman.com/blog/2008/09/28/hebrew-english-online-translation/#comment-2486</guid>
		<description>Thanks for your excellent post!

I found your blog from your comment on David Curwin's blog.
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/curwin/1228275716988654286/?a=30294#242555


Here is a comment I put on his blog.

Peter Kirk has some interesting observations on computer translations.
http://betterbibles.com/2008/11/01/memories-of-a-lecture-and-thoughts-on-computerised-translation/
or http://tinyurl.com/4yd7tt

He uses an example from Tehillim 23 "translated" from German to English and then from Hebrew to English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your excellent post!</p>
<p>I found your blog from your comment on David Curwin&#8217;s blog.<br />
<a href="http://www.haloscan.com/comments/curwin/1228275716988654286/?a=30294#242555" rel="nofollow">http://www.haloscan.com/comments/curwin/1228275716988654286/?a=30294#242555</a></p>
<p>Here is a comment I put on his blog.</p>
<p>Peter Kirk has some interesting observations on computer translations.<br />
<a href="http://betterbibles.com/2008/11/01/memories-of-a-lecture-and-thoughts-on-computerised-translation/" rel="nofollow">http://betterbibles.com/2008/11/01/memories-of-a-lecture-and-thoughts-on-computerised-translation/</a><br />
or <a href="http://tinyurl.com/4yd7tt" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/4yd7tt</a></p>
<p>He uses an example from Tehillim 23 &#8220;translated&#8221; from German to English and then from Hebrew to English.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Believers by Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.joelnothman.com/blog/2008/07/14/believers/#comment-2477</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 03:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.joelnothman.com/blog/2008/07/14/believers/#comment-2477</guid>
		<description>Too late to weigh in? I thought not.

It being Tish'a B'Av, big picture things are on my mind. In a response to a girl that quoted to me an article she happened to read telling Jews... well, this:

"when our emunah is dependant on the strength of our intellect, then we are dangerously exposed to thoughts and opinions of those who know how to present stronger arguments than we do, and our emuna is liable to be destroyed, G-d forbid. For that reason, the way of true Jewish emuna is the way of our forefathers- the simple and uncomplicated belief in Hashem that has been passed down in an unbroken chain from A, I &#38; J."

(Oy vey, I thought) I answered back something new that came to mind, of relevence to our discussion, if not directly answering the question: R'Bachya ibn Pequda in Hovoth HaLevavoth's Haqdamah (intro) says it is an obligation on every man of sound mind to confirm and affirm their Judaism philosophically with his power of intellect; others such as children have the luxury of relying on the testimony of the previous generations.
Additionally, as Rambam very often influenced Shulhan Aruch and recommended emunah sheleimah, I wouldn't be surprised to find the idea of challenging ones beliefs within the realm of actual halachah. Further, one must 'know what to answer a heretic' - Pirqei Avoth. This would imply being armed with the right knowledge in any particular intellecual battle. So if today the attack on Judaism comes from science, you would be obligated to know science. This would have interesting ramifications, of course, in places such as Bnei Brak. My full response to the girl can be found on my blog www.themindofmichael.com .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too late to weigh in? I thought not.</p>
<p>It being Tish&#8217;a B&#8217;Av, big picture things are on my mind. In a response to a girl that quoted to me an article she happened to read telling Jews&#8230; well, this:</p>
<p>&#8220;when our emunah is dependant on the strength of our intellect, then we are dangerously exposed to thoughts and opinions of those who know how to present stronger arguments than we do, and our emuna is liable to be destroyed, G-d forbid. For that reason, the way of true Jewish emuna is the way of our forefathers- the simple and uncomplicated belief in Hashem that has been passed down in an unbroken chain from A, I &amp; J.&#8221;</p>
<p>(Oy vey, I thought) I answered back something new that came to mind, of relevence to our discussion, if not directly answering the question: R&#8217;Bachya ibn Pequda in Hovoth HaLevavoth&#8217;s Haqdamah (intro) says it is an obligation on every man of sound mind to confirm and affirm their Judaism philosophically with his power of intellect; others such as children have the luxury of relying on the testimony of the previous generations.<br />
Additionally, as Rambam very often influenced Shulhan Aruch and recommended emunah sheleimah, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to find the idea of challenging ones beliefs within the realm of actual halachah. Further, one must &#8216;know what to answer a heretic&#8217; - Pirqei Avoth. This would imply being armed with the right knowledge in any particular intellecual battle. So if today the attack on Judaism comes from science, you would be obligated to know science. This would have interesting ramifications, of course, in places such as Bnei Brak. My full response to the girl can be found on my blog <a href="http://www.themindofmichael.com" rel="nofollow">www.themindofmichael.com</a> .</p>
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		<title>Comment on Believers by Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.joelnothman.com/blog/2008/07/14/believers/#comment-2475</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.joelnothman.com/blog/2008/07/14/believers/#comment-2475</guid>
		<description>I think the problem is semantics -- if the 3 points in the post are about religious belief then it's actually very different to the more general concept of belief. 

There's probably no such thing as proof for religious belief (if there was it wouldn't be religious belief after all) but there are proofs and evidence for more general kinds of beliefs (eg. my belief that right now I'm hungry).

People who mix the 2 often end up saying ridiculous things like "I don't have enough faith to be an atheist" (like the Purpose Driven Life guy) [PS. in a Freudian keyboard slip I typed "Driven" as "Drivel" :)]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem is semantics &#8212; if the 3 points in the post are about religious belief then it&#8217;s actually very different to the more general concept of belief. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s probably no such thing as proof for religious belief (if there was it wouldn&#8217;t be religious belief after all) but there are proofs and evidence for more general kinds of beliefs (eg. my belief that right now I&#8217;m hungry).</p>
<p>People who mix the 2 often end up saying ridiculous things like &#8220;I don&#8217;t have enough faith to be an atheist&#8221; (like the Purpose Driven Life guy) [PS. in a Freudian keyboard slip I typed &#8220;Driven&#8221; as &#8220;Drivel&#8221; :)]</p>
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		<title>Comment on No q in Nakba by Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.joelnothman.com/blog/2008/05/29/no-q-in-nakba/#comment-2474</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 08:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.joelnothman.com/blog/2008/05/29/no-q-in-nakba/#comment-2474</guid>
		<description>A nice ad, Jameel, and yes, Palestinian Arabic doesn't have a distinct [q] phone, and yes, you may choose the over-Arabic title for political reasons... but at least the q is a native transcription of the arabic phoneme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A nice ad, Jameel, and yes, Palestinian Arabic doesn&#8217;t have a distinct [q] phone, and yes, you may choose the over-Arabic title for political reasons&#8230; but at least the q is a native transcription of the arabic phoneme.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Believers by Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.joelnothman.com/blog/2008/07/14/believers/#comment-2473</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 08:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.joelnothman.com/blog/2008/07/14/believers/#comment-2473</guid>
		<description>Apologies Simon, above... Your comment seems to have been caught up in the spam queue! My blog has grown a bad habit of not letting me know when there's something to moderate, and clearly your post was too vile to let through immediately. Some thoughtful words as usual.

The problem with the second individual is the assumption that there is such a thing as a proof for the basis of belief. If you consider the fact that many suggest that such things cannot be proven, then the individual must be under-scrutinising any proof, and coming at it with the prior intent to believe. Surely this character is more of a hypocrite than the first: at least the first hasn't deluded her/himself by looking for "proofs".

And yes, Simon, I'll credit your distinction (with a pass? an HD?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies Simon, above&#8230; Your comment seems to have been caught up in the spam queue! My blog has grown a bad habit of not letting me know when there&#8217;s something to moderate, and clearly your post was too vile to let through immediately. Some thoughtful words as usual.</p>
<p>The problem with the second individual is the assumption that there is such a thing as a proof for the basis of belief. If you consider the fact that many suggest that such things cannot be proven, then the individual must be under-scrutinising any proof, and coming at it with the prior intent to believe. Surely this character is more of a hypocrite than the first: at least the first hasn&#8217;t deluded her/himself by looking for &#8220;proofs&#8221;.</p>
<p>And yes, Simon, I&#8217;ll credit your distinction (with a pass? an HD?)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Getting away with murder by MikeS</title>
		<link>http://www.joelnothman.com/blog/2007/10/17/getting-away-with-murder/#comment-2472</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 06:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.joelnothman.com/blog/2007/10/17/getting-away-with-murder/#comment-2472</guid>
		<description>"But this makes no sense to me: the reason for not performing execution is not because of the sanctity of life, it is because the person cannot be convicted under the strict requirements of rabbinic courts. Letting all but one murderer in seventy years go unpunished6 does not make the justice system moral, it makes it dysfunctional!"



Have I missed what your problem/objection is to the system? That the very sanctity of life demands that we not put anyone to death, ever? As I see it - the alleged murderer cannot be put to death because of the rabbinic stringencies that are there BECAUSE of the sanctity of life. Is it impossible to connect the two?
The very sanctity of life in Judaism necessitates Rabbinic strictures for putting people to death. Whether extant and understood at Sinai or inferred after by the sages, that's something else.
As I understand it, the Torah informs the appropriate punishment, that as a general rule fulfils G-d's manner of middah k'neged middah. That is, the murderer should be put to death means that he should be made to endure the same (perhaps one can apply here also 'who can say his blood is redder' than anothers'? Murder is one such a statement of value). 
G-d being merciful didn't intend eye for an eye, as we know, but the Written Torah nevertheless intends to teach values. What one WOULD have to pay, so that the gravity of one's crime can be understood  (hopefully before the action). Torah Sh'Biktav is meant to be severe for this reason. However, no one wants to actually do this - sentence a man to death. After all, the sanctity of life is made evident elsewhere in the Torah, and thus it presents the rabbis with some balancing. So they bend over backwards to try get the dude off, and let G-d deal with it later. 
And yes, as Michael mentioned, if people become lax, hora'ath sha'ah can be enacted. It could be argued that hora'ath sha'ah should have been enacted more frequently, so that the adequacy and functionality of the law can be maintained. But that's a harsh thing to say, I'll admit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But this makes no sense to me: the reason for not performing execution is not because of the sanctity of life, it is because the person cannot be convicted under the strict requirements of rabbinic courts. Letting all but one murderer in seventy years go unpunished6 does not make the justice system moral, it makes it dysfunctional!&#8221;</p>
<p>Have I missed what your problem/objection is to the system? That the very sanctity of life demands that we not put anyone to death, ever? As I see it - the alleged murderer cannot be put to death because of the rabbinic stringencies that are there BECAUSE of the sanctity of life. Is it impossible to connect the two?<br />
The very sanctity of life in Judaism necessitates Rabbinic strictures for putting people to death. Whether extant and understood at Sinai or inferred after by the sages, that&#8217;s something else.<br />
As I understand it, the Torah informs the appropriate punishment, that as a general rule fulfils G-d&#8217;s manner of middah k&#8217;neged middah. That is, the murderer should be put to death means that he should be made to endure the same (perhaps one can apply here also &#8216;who can say his blood is redder&#8217; than anothers&#8217;? Murder is one such a statement of value).<br />
G-d being merciful didn&#8217;t intend eye for an eye, as we know, but the Written Torah nevertheless intends to teach values. What one WOULD have to pay, so that the gravity of one&#8217;s crime can be understood  (hopefully before the action). Torah Sh&#8217;Biktav is meant to be severe for this reason. However, no one wants to actually do this - sentence a man to death. After all, the sanctity of life is made evident elsewhere in the Torah, and thus it presents the rabbis with some balancing. So they bend over backwards to try get the dude off, and let G-d deal with it later.<br />
And yes, as Michael mentioned, if people become lax, hora&#8217;ath sha&#8217;ah can be enacted. It could be argued that hora&#8217;ath sha&#8217;ah should have been enacted more frequently, so that the adequacy and functionality of the law can be maintained. But that&#8217;s a harsh thing to say, I&#8217;ll admit.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Believers by Jordan</title>
		<link>http://www.joelnothman.com/blog/2008/07/14/believers/#comment-2471</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.joelnothman.com/blog/2008/07/14/believers/#comment-2471</guid>
		<description>Well I'm going to go with option 1 as well in accordance with my own particular philosophical bent. However I can see the potential foolishness in both the other options.

How do you get those cool photos that look like sketches on your website? Its neat.

Yay for Google Reader making staying in touch with my friend's blogs practical, and yay for my own new blog reminding me that my friends actually have blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;m going to go with option 1 as well in accordance with my own particular philosophical bent. However I can see the potential foolishness in both the other options.</p>
<p>How do you get those cool photos that look like sketches on your website? Its neat.</p>
<p>Yay for Google Reader making staying in touch with my friend&#8217;s blogs practical, and yay for my own new blog reminding me that my friends actually have blogs.</p>
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